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I know y'all have been waiting for this and here it is.... I'll take you threw my weekend. I picked up the Evo Friday after work where I had GSC S2 cams + springs installed as well as an Exedy Twin HD clutch. I went ahead and got them to replace the timing belt, water pump, tensioner, and balance shaft belt too. I had talked to Exedy a few hours before about breaking in the clutch and they said that they normally recommend a 500 mile break in period but that I would be alright with 100 miles and a lot of shifting. I stopped by Mellon's after leaving the shop to quickly check out the tune and adjust the idle. It had some serious lope idling ~600-800 rpms but it felt like it was wanting to die, especially when taking off from a stop. We bumped it up to ~900-1000 rpms to make it easier on the car and it still sounds great. We opened Evoscan and saw that the Ecu was having to add ~12-14 on the low trim which means there was definitely a lot more air coming through there at idle.  I then spent my Friday afternoon/night putting quite a few miles on my clutch.
Saturday, time to get down to business. I got to Mellon's ~9 and did a quick boost leak test before heading out. Since I was already on 93 we did that tune first. High temp for the day was low 90's with 70% humidity. What we found was that the cams by themselves don't really gain much. We figured the stock FMIC would probably hold this up and it did. We tried tuning the cams on the same boost as before (26 psi) with a lot of timing and didn't gain much and we tried tuning the cams with more boost (28.5 psi) and less timing and it seemed to be the way to go. We tried maxing out the ebc and it would only let us go to 29.3 psi @ 100% wg duty cycle  but it was inconsistent because the solenoid was wiggin out so we lowered it to 93%. Here are the results:
Cams vs. No cams
A gain of 11hp and 24tq. As you can see cams by themselves don't do much. Thats why its recommended to do Cams and a FMIC at the same time. One without the other doesn't do much. Mellon said he's had customers in the past that usually peeter out ~335-340hp by doing a FMIC instead of cams. We normally do a G-tech run after each tune but with the results being dismal and still not enough miles on the clutch we decided not to. Pretty good gains over stock though, its up 89hp and 120tq
Cams vs. Stock
We went and got some lunch and headed back to the house. We pumped out the rest of my 93 and put in the e85  . Headed back out on the same boost 28.5 psi. Let me just say e85 is the ****. It was holding timing like nobody's business. Here are the results:
e85 vs. 93 oct
A gain of 49hp and 37tq on the same boost!! Simply amazing. Once the tune was finished it was time for a G-tech run. I figured what the hell, either the clutch was going to hold or not. I wanted to see what this new power would do. Here they are the results:
60' 1.70
0-60 3.23
1/8 7.56 @ 92.06
1/4 11.83 @ 115.39
Quick comparison with the previous g-tech data:
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60' 2.15
0-60 5.71
1/8th 9.13 @ 78.78
1/4 14.14 @ 99.12
02 filter mbc tune
60' 1.913
0-60 4.35
1/8 8.30 @ 85.62
1/4 12.99 @ 105.41
03 filter, mbc, tbe, fp, tune
60' 1.79
0-60 3.86
1/8 7.93 @ 88.50
1/4 12.37 @ 111.44
04 PTE 1200 no times
05 filter mbc exhaust fp tuned gsc s2 tuned 93oct 28.2psi no times
06 filter mbc exhaust fp tuned gsc s2 tuned e85 28.2psi
60' 1.70
0-60 3.23
1/8 7.56 @ 92.06
1/4 11.83 @ 115.39
DLL 383/384
11's! Another good point to show for e85 vs 93 is the injector duty cycle. With my PTE 1200cc injectors:
IDC was 93% on 93 octane pre-PTE 1200
IDC was 50% on 93 octane pre-cams
IDC was 51% on 93 octane
IDC was 65% on E85
I've got a lot of room to grow which is a good thing because I wanted that. Also the slight starting problem I had is now perfected. Mellon worked his magic on that. Here are the results over stock on E85:
A gain of 138hp and 157tq. I have to give it up to Mellon for another awesome job with the tuning. Next round of mods will be a FMIC and IC pipes.
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08-17-2009, 04:57 PM
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damn...this makes me feel like im hardly getting anything outta my car...i mean for what i could get out of it. nicely done i must say.
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08-17-2009, 05:01 PM
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damn...this makes me feel like im hardly getting anything outta my car...i mean for what i could get out of it. nicely done i must say.
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08-17-2009, 05:02 PM
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Great progress! Man I need to come see you guys so bad! Great work!
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08-17-2009, 05:03 PM
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Great progress! Man I need to come see you guys so bad! Great work!
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agreed...i might be taking a mellon vacation week next summer haha
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08-17-2009, 05:08 PM
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Great progress! Man I need to come see you guys so bad! Great work!
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We're ready when you are
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08-17-2009, 05:17 PM
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Yeah I have to do some saving up, wife's X needs a tune as well as me needing a 93 and e85. When I am ready you can bet you'll be hearing from me!
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08-17-2009, 08:46 PM
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08-17-2009, 08:52 PM
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Thanks Scott. My work decided it doesn't like Youtube for some reason... I don't know why haha
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08-18-2009, 04:20 PM
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love that launch...6750rpm 2-step for the win!
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08-18-2009, 06:21 PM
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Yeah, my two-step's too low I'm thinkin' at 5500. *Laugh*
Nice stuff, Kevin and congrats to you and Chris!
I would love to know the diff between BR's Deluxe and Race FMICs with their piping if it could be arranged. I'm on the Deluxe and have always wondered what I'd get from the Race. Obviously, there are other vendor FMICs to test, as well...
Great stuff!
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08-18-2009, 06:38 PM
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the Buschur Deluxe has a rear entrance from the turbo "candy cane" shaped licp to the fmic, the Race has a standard side entrance to the fmic. The rest might be similar, I don't remember.
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08-18-2009, 06:47 PM
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Kazz, I have a Race if you ever want to take a look.
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08-19-2009, 03:42 PM
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Kazz, I have a Race if you ever want to take a look.
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We do need to get together, still!
I'm just interested in the numbers differences, really...
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08-19-2009, 03:46 PM
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Mellon will have to chime it. He went from a Deluxe to a Race...
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08-19-2009, 05:15 PM
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08-19-2009, 05:24 PM
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You'll find more in here that are lengthy but amazing info in them!!!
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Thanks Guys!
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08-19-2009, 09:34 PM
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LOL at that launch and that 2 - 3 shift. The whole car just lurches I watched it 3 times and its effing sick dude!
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08-19-2009, 09:46 PM
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No kidding- great driving Kevin!
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08-19-2009, 10:41 PM
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G-Tech? Is that what you showed at the end of the movie that records all of your different stats? You got a link for where to purchase one of those from?
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G-Tech? Is that what you showed at the end of the movie that records all of your different stats? You got a link for where to purchase one of those from?
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Yep, thats it. Here's the manufacturer's website, although you might be able to get it somewhere else. http://www.gtechpro.com/ss.html
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08-20-2009, 12:17 AM
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thx !
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08-20-2009, 12:22 AM
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you just mount that on the window and go? and where does it get power from? cig lighter?
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08-20-2009, 12:25 AM
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AAA batteries
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thx =) guess if i read it would of said some where...
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you just mount that on the window and go? and where does it get power from? cig lighter?
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I think there might be some initial calibration settings, not sure. Every time I've used it we just attach it to the window, calibrate before the launch, hit ok, and it says launch when ready. Oh, and we use the cig lighter for power.
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08-20-2009, 01:28 AM
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=) thx
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08-20-2009, 01:39 AM
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man i need one of them there things to log my 1/4 times and such
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sorry I don't recall if I got any deluxe vs. race fmic data but the deluxe was used on my car up to 500awhp, it's a nice unit.
hopefully kevin will be hitting the track for some official numbers soon. The g-tech is an awesome tool for estimation though. I've taken it with me to the track and it's close enough for me, usually within a tenth and 1mph, sometimes dead on.
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